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> For every other point outside of Overwatch, you justified, agreed or misunderstood the OP and defended its release vs. its current state.

The points weren't critiques, is what I'm saying. Calling a game a "hot mess" doesn't actually say what's wrong with it. For WoW, as an example, it's inarguable that it's the biggest MMO of all time with a super active playerbase, even now. Saying "Well it's a hot mess" ignores all context and any legitimate argument made in reality. Just a proxy for "I don't like this game".

All of the points were just made up abstract complaints. They aren't actual gripes against the games, and moreso, the abstract complaints don't even defend the idea that "Blizzard has been going downhill." They only support my claim, which is that the person responding just doesn't like those games specifically, which has literally nothing to do with the quality of the games Blizzard released.



> For WoW, as an example, it's inarguable that it's the biggest MMO of all time with a super active playerbase, even now.

That isn't clear at all that, right now is very different from a month ago. Final fantasy 14 could possibly be larger and if it isn't will very likely dethrone wow as the biggest mmorpg in the near future.


I wonder what the total number of MMO players is. Maybe the genre is dying and WoW is accelerating its demise.


It depends what you define MMO as. If you consider it as traditional MMORPG, then the answer is clearly yes. WoW once had 12 million active players, now FFXIV is likely at 1.5 million, we're not sure if WoW is still above that, and ESO, SWTOR, GW2 and Runescape have a couple of hundred thousand each.

If you extend the definition a bit you can sort of fit stuff like big minecraft networks, Path of Exile, etc. into it. Which initially seems a bit silly, but then people general consider things like retail WoW, Guild Wars 1 to be MMOs despite most gameplay taking place in explicit instances, or world zones that are so heavily instanced that you'll only see a small number of other players. And the gameplay of Path of Exile is hardly as disparate from WoW as say Eve Online or Runescape.




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