The biggest theft from the working class that has ever happened.

Normal, emotionally stable people don’t drive business towards people they disagree with politically. You see that all around the country.

Kotlin and Scala too if you want the same type of strong type system as TypeScript

No type system is as strong as TypeScript — certainly not Kotlin.

Give Scala a try :)

coded in scala for over a decade. i am glad i dont have to use it anymore. maybe i am just too stupid for it, never understood the point of all that.

They hate us cause they ain’t us :)

All of these companies are unethical. They’ve all stolen everything from the working class.

Half of my graduating class could barely program.

Yep. Way more than half of the people I interview can't even do a very basic FizzBuzz, even with guidance. Those are people with a degree, job experience and reference letters.

What did you study?

Computer Science.

I see. Computer Science is not an engineering degree and it is not about programming. That's what Software Engineering degrees are for.

Most CS programs have software dev in their curricula; I don't think it's wild to expect a CS student to code FizzBuzz.

I graduated in 2006 in CS, and I had at least 5 or 6 software development classes. We also had electives, which included DB design and algorithms. Many of the higher-level classes allowed us to use any language of our choice as well.

I was self-taught since I was 15, so most of these classes were just review for me. I met lots of people that didn't know how to code as seniors (and never ended up getting a job in their field).

Yes, but overall it's still a science degree and not an engineering degree.

Some of them aren't even BS, they're BA

Many of the top schools don't have software/computer engineering degrees, rather people who want to be SWEs get CS degrees.

Yes, you're right. And that's a problem.

Well idk what an actual software engineering program would teach that you can't learn better on your own or on the job. Formal CS education teaches things that simultaneously help with the job and also can't be learned there. But some people just don't have grit, whichever path they took.

Software engineers graduates I've met are usually much worse at programming than computer science graduates.

I'm gonna strongly +1 on this.

Most of the "Software Engineering" curricula I've seen is catered towards "getting a job as a programmer", and is mostly focused on languages, frameworks and outdated processes.

As an engineer in another discipline, there's no engineering there.

I would rank like this: Computer Science > Self Taught > Software Engineering.

I remember people in college bragging that they're learning Angular. I was like, is this an engineering or physics thing, angular dynamics? No, it's a web framework with a ton of boilerplate that my LLM deals with now.

Today it's just React, but there was a small window where Angular was the #1 framework and some courses were teaching it.

I even saw a "post-grad in React" lately.

Backend-wise it's the same, it comes and goes with fashion and whatever company has influence in the university recommends.

I might go as far as saying that SE is dogmatic. And the dogma is usually very outdated. Not necessarily useless, though.

That too

A corporation being shady? Imagine that!

Statistically LLMs generate more bugs for the same feature.

Right, but you should be doing analysis and choosing the right tool for the job. 9/10 or probably more Java projects never need to use FFI because of the sheer size of the Java ecosystem. C# has always needed a better FFI story because its ecosystem is an order of magnitude smaller.

Didn’t they start that from acquiring jet.com?

IIRC, they revamped Walmart.com around the time of the Jet.com acquisition, so that probably had something to do with it.

Cool! I had a friend working there at the time. First time I heard about F#