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Ughh. Another Iridian sympathizer.

Donald Trump was re-elected because too many voters who voted against him the last two times stayed home. That they don't approve, yet did not go vote, is the textbook definition of fine with it. America does not have a wellspring of anti-Trump voters just waiting to be awakened.

America is Trump.


You do not have the right to a phone number without providing ID. If you're an American, those unwritten rights that come from other firm rights written down in laws and constitutions can always be argued, they're always being whittled down.

Rights for everyone are achieved through blood and toil, and if you truly want a right to anonymity and the digital tools necessary to achieve it, you will need blood and toil. Until then, we'll have to squeeze through fast developments that governments have yet to address.


You're just arguing about marketing. Apple has moved to a One device, one OS dichotomy they will not rethink because the foldable iPhone gets a version of the iPad's multitasking. And engineering-wise, when they moved the naming to iPad OS, nothing changed behind the curtain. The iPad still runs the same codebase it did before the marketing switch. They didn't fork anything.

So because their cables were subpar at one point (hint: they were bad because they got rid of insidious chemicals you don't want in your house), that means that's not their MO?

Failure at a mission statement does not mean you have a different mission statement.


> So because their cables were subpar at one point

What do you mean at one point? We bought a laptop for my wife a year ago, cable is almost broken already, behind the connector. They really don't seem to know how to make cables today or before.

> Failure at a mission statement does not mean you have a different mission statement.

Ok? MO or no MO, the cables have useless durability even compared to cheaper cables.


Insidious chemicals? The main flaw was refusal to add strain relief.

Was something else bad about them too?


And it should be Facebook who’s held accountable.

It was literally the first specific announcement they made after they finished their introductions. Not anything iPhone related; they announced that Liquid Glass on macOS would move towards the older design. Goes to show that a year of anybody with any sort of clout complaining about the thousand little cuts of Liquid Glass on macOS will get a company to respond.

That and the guy who announced it last year fled to Facebook of all places.


>shows just how bad it was

>Goes to show that a year of anybody with any sort of clout complaining about the thousand little cuts of Liquid Glass on macOS will get a company to respond.

Worth remembering too that this isn't merely about "complaints", Apple has significant metrics on the rates at which users are upgrading to a new OS, or not. You can opt-out of sharing that data, but a lot of people (even technical people) may choose to check the box to share with Apple. Anecdotally, I myself and a LOT of other people have stuck with macOS 15 or earlier, but Apple should have a lot of hard data on it and adoption curves vs the past.

A real reaction does certainly suggest that this wasn't just a tempest in a teacup, but that they really weren't seeing the adoption on Macs they expected.


Yes!! I agree with this entirely.

As far as I know, the best data the rest of us have is Google Trends. And based on that, it really does look like Liquid Glass elicited the largest negative reaction that Apple has ever had to an OS release.

"How to Switch to Android" hit 3x its all time peak, "iPhone revert update", hit 4x its all-time peak, "iPhone slow" hit 8x its all time peak, "iPhone bad now" hit 5x its all time peak, "iPhone fix battery" hit 3x its all-time peak (and 14x its five-year peak)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=how%20to...

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%2...

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=i...

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%2...

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=iphone%2...

I mostly looked at this for iOS, but searches like "macOS slow", "mac slow", "fix mac battery", "fix mac", etc. all show similar hockey-stick jumps as Liquid Glass rolled out.

If this means a sudden highest-ever 10x shift in customer dissatisfaction - 1000% - then that has to have been significant.


There are probably other parts as well. Dissatisfaction against Apple for App Store has been high, may be for some Liquid Glass was the last straw. Omarchy had the highest number of Apple user switch to Linux. 100,000 downloads may be small numbers by Apple standards but even if half of that were developers coming from Apple Mac I think it is a pretty big shift.

The worst part, intentionally or not they left macOS 26 as the last release for all the Intel user.


> The worst part, intentionally or not they left macOS 26 as the last release for all the Intel user.

I cannot believe that Apple is that insidious to have planned a milquetoast release to be the last one for Intel, but I totally believe that Apple is insidious enough to see how they can benefit from it.

That they're literally marketing macOS 27 as we've listened to your complaints about 26 completely deflates anyone's interest in running macOS 26 on Intel. Their Intel users are being marketed hard to switch to Apple Silicon.


> Omarchy had the highest number of Apple user switch to Linux.

DHH's dotfiles repo is not a viable replacement for macOS, I promise you. Linux is fun, but macOS is already enough of a *nix for most developers, and it works well without much tinkering.


You just have to constantly tell the LLM to give you zsh commands, not bash ones.

You can easily install bash or any other shell on macOS, and set it as your default with chsh, same as on any other *nix. (Also easy to make the harness use a non-login shell by aliasing it with a $SHELL override.)

I and most of my dev friends didn’t update. The reality is that many of us work in a web browser and an IDE all day writing software for non-Apple platforms. The only incentive I have to update is new and compelling OS features or bugfixes. Since major security patches will likely be backported, that just leaves new features and the reality is that macOS’ only new “feature” worth talking about was Liquid Glass considering their AI offering was also an absolute joke.

Given the other emphasis placed on performance improvements (likely in service to helping to mask the slowness of LLM Siri) I’m really hoping this is a modern Snow Leopard release. I’m looking forward to the Apple nerds digging and offering a compelling narrative about why I should care about updating.

And to add on to that, if this is a bug-fix bonanza release, hopefully we’ll also see a lot of positive movement during the beta period to keep shipping fixes. We’re getting a freaking EQ on AirPods!!!!111!!1! It seems Apple is finally taking some things to heart about listening to their users and I’m 10000% here for it.


not just that, people keeping to older OS’s will actively avoid converting to new hardware sales..

I did not upgrade my laptop because it would come with the latest OS- I am not alone.


The other side of it is forced obsolescence where new OS makes your existing hardware slower. So I wouldn't upgrade my phone beyond iOS18.x purely for performance reasons but if there's a killer feature in a new iPhone I would still consider buying it because its hardware was built to handle the new effects and extra ram it needs.

Yes, anecdotally almost every I know with an older iPhone (14 or older) is not upgrading their iOS. It’s rare for non-technical people to even care about the specifics of a new iOS, but they’ve heard too many stories of slow down and battery usage issues.

It’s a big problem, because running an old iOS is very bad for security. There’s still new vulnerabilities popping up in iOS, especially in the image and video decoders, that are fixed in newer point releases of iOS 26. I’m not sure if Apple is back porting all the fixes. I would definitely be a little afraid, because iMessage previews are a common attack vector and are zero-click. I don’t think anyone really turns off automatic previews; they’re very convenient.


> Apple has significant metrics on the rates at which users are upgrading to a new OS, or not. You can opt-out of sharing that data

How? Aren’t all update requests made to, and all updates downloaded from their servers?

Also, doesn’t the system that pushes emergency updates (https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep93ff7ea7...) have to know what OS you are running?


Opt out all you want do you really think Apple doesn't know what OS version hits their APIs?

It's still nice to see a company not double down on a fall! They seem to have been on a full year of tech debt and optimisation.

I still would have liked a more genuine walk back (they sold it as "iterations and adjustments" as if the rewinded stuff were new ideas) but overall reassuring.


People talk about Liquid Glass as if it equal on all fronts. It's absolutely not. Apple knows which way their bread is buttered, that they can't mess up the iPhone. So Liquid Glass is fine on iOS. It's on Mac that it's a garbage fire of ridiculous design decisions.

Still the best OS around, but it looks like it was made by idiots.


IMO it's not fine on iOS. It has the same visual busyness as on macOS.

Agreed, but seems like we're the odd ones out. I keep hearing how Liquid Glass is ok on iOS and terrible on macOS, but I actually think it's (slightly) better on macOS than on iOS.

At least macOS has configurability to turn off all the transparency. iOS just looks bad no matter how you configure it right now.


Try messing with the settings more. Grayscale (or whatever it’s called) makes the transparency much more tolerable, or even _nice_, than with multi-color.

It’s also more palatable on iOS because you only have one window open at a time. Many of the complaints around Liquid Glass on macOS are focused on window management and issues that only occur with multiple windows on screen simultaneously.


Also weird how it’s all or nothing. Feels like it should just be a theme you choose for your OS.

This is really what they need to get back to. Let macOS be themeable again.

I really think Mac OS is one of the worst operating systems to begin with. How is liquid glass going to make it worse. I will 100% leave the criticism of liquid glass on Mac OS to others.

But Liquid Glass on iOS has been one of my favorite updates. I like the look and feel of it. They made some tangentially related changes that go too far.


Luckily for Apple, their primary competitor has managed to make their OS even worse. Windows becomes more unusable with every update, and on top of that, continues shoving telemetry and advertising into the OS. I installed windows on a laptop as an experiment and was shocked to see ads in the start menu. Who wants that?!

The best OS is probably something between Ubuntu and macOS. But nothing beats macOS on default, works out of the box, secure and usable and integrated with ecosystems of daily life.


I already agree with you on every single point. But Finder, holy heck is Finder awful. As someone who uses a filesystem as a first-class feature of an operating system, Finder it's one of the most horrible things about Mac OS.

I say this as someone who uses and has owned too many Macs, but can just never make them my primary machine. I promise, I've spent the last 30 years trying to make them my main.


the truth (that most people here would tell you) is that macos may be worse than linux, but it's generally understood, you can install companions for proprietary hardware much more easily and coworkers won't look at you with a blank stare when you explain that you're switching them all to it for mdm purposes (as they would with linux/windows).

There is no shot macOS' userspace is worse than even the best, most polished Linux distro.

it's worse in the same way a rally car is better than a 4 door sedan. Apple gives you something that runs and drives but linux can rip. Even using aerospace on my mac doesn't come close to the comfort I felt with sway on nixos

Yeah it seems like they are finally reconsidering their position of unifying ios and macos somewhat. I wish they would revert settings on the mac back to it's old 'control panel' days.

That is the bane of my existence. Steam's UI is so slow to react due to its web roots, that I feel like people must be insane to think that Steam is somehow this great app. It's terrible.

I shop on GOG.


Steam was rewritten in React relatively recently. I think most people formed their opinion of Steam back when it was mostly developed in VGUI, the same in-house native UI framework Valve used in games for stuff like the Half-Life 2 title screen and the TF2 server browser.

> Steam's UI is so slow to react due to its web roots

I actually wouldn't blame the web roots. Battle.net is also a CEF based launcher and it feels so much more snappy compared to Steam. For some reason Steam just feels really slow.


In the Enterprise, they'll fight tooth and nail to maintain that synergy. In the small business and consumer markets, people are having a very slow divorce from Windows, and Microsoft is well aware. MS365 is an ok product and can absolutely thrive on its own without Windows.

Without the "i grew up with that pipeline "that is windows? I have doubts.

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