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I think it's impossible to calculate at this stage since there're no fusion power plants which actually produce net power.

True, but we've built tokamaks and we're building ITER, which so far has an estimated price of between $45 billion and $65 billion.

Now of course that's a research reactor full of experiments and instrumentation that wouldn't be part of a normal power plant, but given current experience that I think we can expect we won't suddenly knock down the cost to $100M. It's going to be somewhere in the billions. And we have expectations of that DEMO is going to make 750MWe.

We can then plug those estimates into the calculator and basically figure out how cheap and how powerful a fusion reactor has to be for it to make economical sense.


Part of that cost is from ITER being so huge, which is because they use obsolete superconductors. CFS is doing the same thing in a reactor a tenth as big, using newer superconductors that support stronger magnetic fields.

The size and also the complicated governance have made ITER very slow to build, which also increases expense. The JET tokamak is about the size of the reactor CFS is building, and JET was built in a year for the reactor itself, plus three years before that for the building they put it in.


I think a lot of the cost is custom parts. Standardization and economy of scale would bring the price down quite a bit.

If that happens it will still take decades.

It took us a lot of time to standardize computers. We made lots of weird architectures before things settled down.


The market never went that way with fission (except France?). What would be the difference with fusion?

China is building a lot of coal power plants

Their coal generation decreased last year. They're building on the order of 70GW of new coal while they decomission or underutilized more than 70GW of pre-existing coal. Meanwhile they installed 450GW of new renewables energy.

They also consume half of all coal consumed globally per year. They are in no way a green economy.

Not relevant to the question of which energy source makes sense to build in the year 2026. But sure China has many coal plants left over from 2003 when renewables was more expensive, nobody would dispute that this is a fact, however irrelevant.

tokyo is cheaper than most cities relatively to the average income but you have to consider the fact that many apartments are like 20 - 30 m^2

I doubt recommendations will change anything unless it's an actual law that forces companies to offer remote work.

Recommendations are for the countries to implement measures.

Can batteries store enough energy for dunkelflaute in winter? I don't think it's possible with the current technology.

Batteries are not appropriate for dealing with Dunkelflauten. There's very little energy flowing through there, so what you want to do is trade lower round trip efficiency for lower capex. The high capex of batteries is best amortized over many charge/discharge cycles, for example for daily storage.

I mean, who cares? Fire up the gas plants in the one week a year you have weather anomalies. We’d still be 90+% carbon free which would be incredible. The last gap can be solved at a later point as technology evolves

And replacing the natural gas burned in those turbines with hydrogen won't be very expensive, since they will be used so infrequently. Storing energy as hydrogen is much cheaper than storing it in batteries, as measured by cost of storage of capacity.

My friend, renewables only have a capacity factor of .1 (10%). That means those "gas plants" (really coal, and the worst quality coal on the planet too) are running 90% of the time. There is a reason why France's grid makes 7x the power for the same CO2 emissions as Germany.

A single energy source having a capacity factor of 10% does not imply that gas plants will have to run 90% of the time.

It ignores storage, over-provisioning, aggregation of uncorrelated sources etc.

Not to mention that wind typically has a much higher capacity factor than 10%.

I don't know what the true number is, but I think this is a low effort take.


Wind turbines across a whole region you'd be looking at 30% maybe 35% or even 40% if they're off-shore. Off-shore the winds aren't slowed by all the random structures humans build but also the turbines are much taller and as your elevation increases the reliability of the wind increases.

PV it varies by how far you are from the equator, 10% is realistic for a Northern country like the UK or Germany whereas in Africa you might see 25% or even 30%


It's not. Germany would need an insane amount, about 3twh based on recent data and much more looking at 30y weather data

Batteries can store as much energy as you are willing to buy.

I see an increasing number of chinese cars where I live in Europe. Though almost none of them are fully electric ones (BEVs here have different licence plates), they're plug-in hybrids at best.

Electricity generation from natural gas is intentionally made more expensive by the EU ETS. It could be cheaper if politicians wanted it to be.

Tbh coal definitely should be restarted and used more, there's more reliable supply for coal than for lng.


And economists agree that schemes similar to ETS is the most economically efficient way to achieve carbon targets.

So, if you want to say: "I don't think governments should have agreed to the Paris agreement" then you should just say that, rather than attack various highly efficient ways of achieving those goals.


I don't support it because it doesn't work (at least for me, I guess there's some middleman in the grand scheme of things who is profiting off of this). E.g. Texas has a high share of renewables too without carbon taxes and with much cheaper electricity.

Texas has many federal and state incentives for building renewables.

Then why the EU is hell bent on the ETS since it's clearly not working the best?

Air to water heat pumps (which usually are used in Germany) should be quite cheap nowadays. Maybe they tried overcharging you or a significant rework was required?


tbh I've heard the same about the nuclear fusion for many years now


We created fusion in 1952.

a hard fork could burn bitcoins which are vulnerable


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