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3 months before asking for what to eat before a linear algebra exam trips the machine learning topic ban is my guess. I got flagged immediately asking why my JEPA thing breaks weird.

if for a second you believe that what apple says the regulators told them is the same thing as what the regulators told them, i have a cow farm under the titanic to sell you

This comment casts aspersions while making zero specific claims of wrongdoing. If you have something specific to say that goes beyond the vibes of "everything and everyone is corrupt and evil," that would at least be worth hearing.

Apple continually lies to the EU and the public about their DMA compliance efforts. Is that specific enough?

oh, it is worth hearing. said another way: "show me"

For me it was probably around coding. It made me realize what future generations of models might be able to achieve, since we have already hit the ceiling of the class of intelligence these models are capable of a long time ago. I am excited at the prospect that a future generation of models might be able to write a piece of code that isn't dogshit.

i have had good results adding muse spark's contemplate mode as a roundtabler for complex questions. but you cant turn off their data ingestion for training so that is a shame.

large corporations moving doing things like datacenters drain significant resources, and resources cost money, which you then lose.

it's dangerous to refuse to understand whats happening broadly, and what's taking place in this thread, and to signal that it's ok to keep refusing to understand it.

the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed, or the messaging around it, it's a matter of physics. you have this one thing that is being used as an excuse to lay people off en masse, you have tech ceos near daily saying they're gonna come for everyone else's job too, and you have the hyperscalers taking up every bit of oxygen in the room. not even gaming has been safe.

taking the attitude that it's "just such a classic moral panic" is figuring out which way the ocean is receding and running headlong toward it.


> this one thing that is being used as an excuse to lay people off en masse, you have tech ceos near daily saying they're gonna come for everyone else's job too, and you have the hyperscalers taking up every bit of oxygen in the room.

I hear these complaints multiple times per day. Not just "nearly daily". The backlash has long since drowned out the original source. The ad nauseam anguish has been steadily increasing for months.

I almost prefer to listen to asshole CEOs at this point. At least they have more to say than just repeating these same points.

Being dismissive of AI panic is healthy. What you're engaging in is not.


Most Marie Antoinette comment I've seen in a while. Startling.

I'll take that as a threat of violence.

What do you mean? You pretty much described classic moral panic.

a classic moral panic would be videogames causing violence. what is happening is the beginning of something more akin to the luddite movement, and there is a chasm between them, and this has the potential to become far more widespread, and far more violent. it's not about the tech, it's about the economics.

If you think you're owed a salary to do something that a simple machine can do, I have a field for you to plow by hand.

whether or not you think anyone is owed anything for anything is a completely different topic. i'm talking about what is happening right in front of you, and everywhere.

Replace the C-suite with the chatbots first.

Thank you for aptly demonstrating the exact kind of hysteria and mob mentality they're describing.

i am correcting the description of what is going on. that is not hysteria and i am not a mob.

No one is a mob. They are just part of one.

You're getting it. There are mobs of attackers and mobs of defenders, but not mobs of explainers here.

> the anger that's showing up around ai isn't a matter of the masses being misinformed

Isn't it though? let me quote my other comments in this thread:

> There is undoubtedly AI-written code in the Linux kernel now, but are they out there harassing those maintainers? No. rsync GitHub is easier to brigade.

> They’re also all completely disingenuous (“I’ll have to stop using rsync now”) given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code

This is why I call it a moral panic and hysteria. It's not reasoned, considered opposition to AI. The people on that github thread are totally disconnected from reality - it doesn't matter to them whether the accusations are true, it matters that the accusations have been made, and against an easy target that they don't expect fight-back from.

If they really just had a considered moral opposition to AI-generated code, they would be out there harassing Linus Torvalds himself. Are they? No. Because it's just a moral panic.


> given that 99.99% of software now includes AI-written code

source?


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So you made it up?

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whether or to what degree people in general are misinformed is a red herring. the forces driving it from underneath are far larger and are moving in very, very obvious ways, and dismissing them as just a moral panic is a head-in-sand move.

MCP will definitely not die. It works, it makes things easier for non-technical people, and is extremely inefficient. You can build an entire industry around that.

man what a great web site. the relevant stuff is right where you would look for it and it doesnt attack my attention with stupid internet mechanisms or otherwise do things i didnt tell it to do.

The RLHF very much does do that. My take is that RLHF as a mechanism ought to be avoided altogether, and even the selection of the assistant attractor basin is suspect. If I am exploring a problem space I don't want to hire Igor to explore it with me, it's more helpful to have a colleague role who will sort of jump out and say "nah thats dumb what if we throw out that whole thing and do this completely different angle instead".

It was extremely weird to do things like that as a policy, since it was systemic and natural for a user to just post a question and not find what it might be related to. You just put in an automation to link up / coalesce questions together if they have enough similarity and that would catch most of the things they'd turn around and berate people for and completely avoid this issue by a change in structure. Or like, anything else that would have solved it.


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