I'll take this opportunity to report on my Framework Laptop 13 experience. I've had it for over a year.
The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died.
On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me her parts and I was able to swap some out. That was cool.
Adding to the review thread: I bought a Framework 13 in 2021. I'm sold on the ideal, I really like the chassis and the keyboard, and I _love_ the screen ratio. I replaced several parts and own every type of connector. I really liked my 13!
I just had my mainboard die, and I was advised there currently isn't another mainboard in stock that works with my old DDR4 RAM. They don't have any newer DDR5 RAM in stock apparently either, so I was out of luck and ended up buying a Lemur Pro last week.
In my experience, the Framework hardware is great but very flakey and frequently needs replacing.
Support is awful; they'll repeatedly ask you to do things you've already done (and shown proof of), they can take days to get back to you, and are generally unhelpful. They also didn't think to mention to me when I said I needed to buy a new laptop and their parts were all out of stock that they had a new machine coming out in the next week, which is insane to me. I would've been an easy convert. Sometimes I think it's bots doing the support, but if that was the case, they'd reply back faster.
Time will tell whether I'll return back to the ecosystem, but the support experience (and the hardware being poor enough that I frequently need support) is putting me off for now.
Similar story here. Mine is 3 years old, and the battery is about 80% of its original capacity and the touchpad occasionally drops clicks, but otherwise it's still working great! Also the charging cable frayed, but I have plenty of those cables around.
In general, coming from a MacBook, I’ve had more quality issues with the framework, but fixing them has always been possible with a little digging. I’ve enjoyed the experience of learning how to take apart and fix my gear, but I’m also the sort of person who darns holes in his socks, so ymmv.
I'm not going to weigh in on quality issues (I have had a 16 for a little over a year and it's been great, but it probably gets far less abuse the way I use it than average), but I'm surprised to hear this because the whole point of Framework is that when something breaks you don't need to "buy another one". You just buy the specific part that broke. Chassis warped? Buy the top/bottom/whatever part of it is warped. Hinges worn out? Replace just those, etc.
The kind of person who is happy to just buy a new one when a particular component breaks seems like the kind of person who would probably prefer to buy something else, or so I would have supposed.
I very much like the modularity, upgradability, and repairability, but those things come with tradeoffs, and if one isn't the kind of person who is interested in repairing a computer piecemeal, I'm not sure I understand why one would accept the tradeoffs.
I like Framework, I like their mission, and I intend to continue to support them as a customer (I'll likely buy the new wireless keyboard as soon as it's in stock), but my intention is to never buy another complete laptop from them again, unless I for some reason decide I need to have 2 laptops. It may be that in a decade or two, I have Ship-of-Theseused my 16 into an entirely new laptop, but I can't imagine the scenario where I replace the entire thing in one go.
The mainboard is what appears to go wrong and it ends up being the same price as many competing laptops.
Maybe this will be different with the pro, but no one knows until they actually ship.
As for the Framework 16, I brought a 5070TI laptop recently for around 1200$ after a nice rebate. After a bit of complaining( which was also needed to honor the rebate ), they added a second year warranty too.
For the Framework 16, with the 5070 addon(which has 8GB of VRAM compared to the 12GB on the 5070TI).
Sure, the framework might be better, but is it worth twice as much ?
I contacted their support because my charging cable frayed and I thought I was still in warranty. Turns out I'd miscalculated and I was a year out but they replaced it for free anyway.
Their support has been very responsive and helpful every time I've contacted them so I'd be surprised if they wouldn't have helped the GP.
I was really sold on the idea of a repairable laptop and the Linux support was excellent. I like the laptop a lot and it happily replaced the old-skool Macbook that had served me so well over the years.
However, I had a screen die on me and that's when I found that their product support was truly appalling (even worse than Apple!) - They took ages to reply and then asking endless irrelevant questions in a very arrogant tone (version of BIOS, operating systems etc) - in the end, I gave up and bought the replacement screen myself.
If you consider Apple hardware support bad then I honestly don't know what you're expectations are. Apple support is the best I have ever experienced and I have tried all types of brands and warranties. Only thing that can match it is NBD warranty at HP/Lenovo/Dell.
How do you even warp these things? Had mine for 3y, sturdy as hell.
So sturdy in fact that the only piece I've had to replace is the charger, what's the point in swappable parts now right? /s
Quite a lot of type system modeling has gone into Dada so far, though I don't know the details. Some of that work is here: https://github.com/dada-lang/dada-model
Miri is so good. Thank you Ralf for dedicating yourself to this project for so long.
When I have Rust projects with subsystems that must be unsafe, I will design them around Miri testability. This mostly means writing small unit-testable units and isolating I/O as much as possible. I almost always find I have made mistakes that Miri catches.
The multiple meanings of many of the words in this sentence make it really poor at communicating what the site is about. "Endeavour" (with a capital 'E') is a proper name I associate with a space shuttle, and 'stellar' can mean 'having to do with stars'. So a first read for me leads to the conclusion that this site has something to do with space flight. And 'system' could mean almost anything. Maybe this site will let me personalize my own star system? All I can take away is that I'm not sure what this is, but clearly I'm not the target audience. Which I'm fine with.....
Rephrasing, Endeavour is something that is started with a terminal system based on Arch.
I know that's a cheesy way to say it's an Arch distro but I hope you notice how poor the phrasing is for someone trying to understand what they've been linked to.
The case is warped in multiple places. One USB C module doesn't accept a power charge reliably. It can overheat and shutdown. If the case flexes a little the trackpad stops responding - it needs to be on a flat surface. Power brick died.
On the plus side, my partner had one and when she threw it away she gave me her parts and I was able to swap some out. That was cool.
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