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There is a lot of daylight in between “progressive” and “openly explicitly racist”

Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM? Or did they change focus to enhance their racism and propaganda vertical? Things move so quickly these days hard to keep up!

Mistral will also tell you how to do ransoms btw from A to Z in automated ways, you are saying they are responsible? I don't get the mix here.

Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity. Can you send me a link from a reputable enough source where Mistral models have done this? I didn't even realize they were doing image generation.

> Yes any company generating csam should not be in business as a legitimate entity.

At the same time, in this corner of the world, acting Minister for Justice (also known for trying to push through Chat Control), and NGO Save the Children, have been working to make legal the generation of CSAM for law enforcement use. So that would certainly make the industry legitimate, and you would already have a customer.

https://www.justitsministeriet.dk/pressemeddelelse/regeringe...


I think they key point here is "for law enforcement". That's a little different from "pay me 10 dollars and enjoy the felonies". I still don't feel good about that by the way.

Would you feel good about completely fake CSAM if it actually reduced incidence of child molestation?

If I send you a convo I've had with Mistral and Claude Sonnet 3.7 that say atrocious things (how to scam, and get away with it, by exploiting dating websites in Thailand, you don't even want to know the next steps trust me when it talks about the UK incorporation by the Thai itself that you brainwash first to send packages safely without customs seizing it and so on), you'll then publicly recognize that both those companies should be avoided and are promoting crime? If we have a deal and you publicly acknowledge it, I'll share you the links.

Sure!

But it's not doing any ransoms, right? Because Grok wasn't instructing users on how to create CSAM.

> Isn't grok currently holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM?

I'm not sure I see how that's possible, given their image/video generation seems to be heavily censored. Do they have some alternative product besides "Imagine" or whatever it's called, that people use for generating CSAM?

Judging by https://old.reddit.com/r/grok (but I haven't validated it myself), it seems like people are complaining more about how censored the model is, than anything else, maybe that's not actually true in reality?

There are image models out there with 0 restrictions, even available on HuggingFace or CivitAI, I'm guessing those are way more widely used for things like CSAM than any centralized platform with moderation.


Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal.

I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low. Though I am sure it is possible.

Here are some links

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/01/x-blames-users-f...

https://9to5mac.com/2026/02/17/eu-also-investigating-as-grok...

Concerning.


> Please don't validate any of this personally that would be illegal.

Obviously, I assumed we all are familiar with our local laws to not unwittingly commit crimes here :)

> I think the proportion of people generating images that way is likely very low

So probably a far cry from "holding the world record for the biggest generator of CSAM" given the amount of local alternatives available? Would be my guess at least, but obviously also hard to know for sure.

> Though I am sure it is possible.

How can you be sure of this? I've tried just now to get Grok to generate even sexually explicit material with adults, and it's unable to, all of the requests are getting moderated and censored. Are you claiming that instead of prompting "A man and a woman having sex" you put "A man and a child having sex" and then the moderation doesn't censor it? Somehow I find that hard to believe, but as you say, I'm not gonna test that either, so I guess we'll never know for sure.


I have no idea what people are doing to get it to generate illegal content. I only know there are thousands of cases of it via articles about it. I have not, and will not use grok as a product.

> I have no idea what people are doing to get it to generate illegal content.

Isn't that relevant to somehow know those things before you say stuff like "I am sure it is possible"? Seems bit strange to first confidently claim you know something then saying you actually have no idea.

Not doubting that it used to be true, that people could generate CSAM, I just don't see how it's possible today, because it seems heavily censored for any explicit/adult content.


I didn’t say “progressive”; I said “as progressive”.

I don't see how that changes my point at all.

edit: to clarify for you, here's an example.

Model A advocates for single-payer healthcare, while Model B prefers for the current US healthcare system. So on that one axis, A is more progressive than B. Neither of them needs to be racist for that calculation.


Can you share a prompt that can show how it is openly racist now? Lots of easy claims like this can be debunked

What claim? I didn't make any of that sort

No reason to--no one will hit. You have much much much chance at guessing a random number that solves the next bitcoin block and mining the old fashioned way.

It's not that hard to get a temporary residence permit somewhere in the EU if you're well-employed. Every country has its own rules and some are more lax than others, but there are plenty of e.g. "tech worker" visas you can get. You often don't need a job to officially sponsor you.

I moved to Berlin a few years ago. Anecdotally, my friends and family back home are jealous.

I am jealous of the lifestyle of most of Europe, but not the rigid labour markets and lower salaries. I wish we had more people-oriented cities in North America, though. I don't want to be anti-automobile, but the hostility to the "15 minute city" idea was quite depressing to me.

The salaries are indeed lower, but you get so much more for the money. Better healthcare, better food, livable cities. Lots of major cost items like a car (or three!) are things you can simply skip.

My good friends moved to Germany before they had their kid. They are extremely happy with their decision.

Everyone I'm aware of who moved because of Trump/Republicans are happy with their choice.


Most remote jobs don't require you to keep the exact same hours, but rather to have some overlap. So it can effectively only feel like ~3h timezone difference.

Well then it’s a good thing my fake id is from a state or foreign government without a checkable database

Then those parents can turn off their browser/client’s age protections. I think that’s actually a decent argument for the solution posed by this thread.

There is such a thing as making the "kid ok" header so rare or "18+" so eager that nobody takes it seriously, so that'd need to be kept in mind.

Interesting to see "vibe" enshrined by the likes of Microsoft as an AI product word.

Especially when "vibe coded" can have a negative connotation meaning quickly put together without understanding.

In my mind, Vibe-anything means "some slop carelessly thrown together to ship as fast as possible." Wild that it's being used in a serious product name!

I’m just surprised they put the name of the e-waste slop company in their product

Maybe they were trying to make a pun on "Via Voice", the cursed IBM STT from the 90s?

I'm honestly more surprised that they could resist the temptation to call it Copilot

Microslop Copilot for Voice! After they renamed Office, they surely will rename this one, too.

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"get offended" is just what the clickbait news cycle made of it. It was based on the post at [1], and this is all it said:

> We need to get beyond the arguments of slop vs sophistication and develop a new equilibrium in terms of our “theory of the mind” that accounts for humans being equipped with these new cognitive amplifier tools as we relate to each other

[1] https://snscratchpad.com/posts/looking-ahead-2026/


Are you sure you have the correct reference?

I think everyone else is relating to

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-bans-...


Heh well, that article says it "clearly infuriated executives at the company", and links to [1], which is exactly what I described. But banning it on Discord does kind of retroactively prove their point, I suppose.

[1] https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/microsoft-satya...


When a CEO says "We need to get beyond the arguments of X" it is universally a polite, PR-scrubbed way of saying, "Please stop talking about X, it is hurting our business" which is how the media interpreted it.

Yeah, the behaviors in this post are more anti-social than asocial. I don't think it's meant to be about people who are shy, introverted, asocial.

Which is also horrifying if you think about it for more than a second.

"Want something to happen? Bet a lot of money that it won't" goes both ways. "Want to make money and have power over missile systems? Bet, and then make something happen."


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