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When the grid is the main factor, what's the problem with providing other metrics like water usage, etc.?

Your argument doesn't convince me. Sounds more like lobbying.


Is there a problem with providing other metrics like water? I didn't see that mentioned any where in the article. Not to be snarky, but your response kind of reminds me of this famous tweet: https://x.com/AustingrahamZ1/status/1029385497213366279?lang...

If you want to talk about water you're obviously free to do so, but you were the one to bring it up. Most of the articles I see about water usage in data centers seems to be propaganda as well. That's not to say data centers aren't consuming more water. I'm sure they are. Considering however that agriculture still accounts for over 70% of overall water usage and we're wasting a lot of it growing things like alfalfa in water hungry regions. Last I'd seen the metric data centers were estimated at around 6%. So I'd argue we should probably look at the worst offenders first.


Bringing up alfalfa (which is horrible) is the typical whataboutism: wasting water there doesn't make it right to waste fresh water for basically cat pictures and slop. Sprinkling it with dismissing the water issue with "propaganda" and calling agriculture "worst offenders" (seriously? Nourishment is bad and 6% for data centres is insignificant?)... I don't think I can even remotely agree.

It's funny to me that you would dismiss my point as a 'whataboutism' when it was an attempt to engage with your point about water, which was itself a whataboutism. I hope the irony isn't lost on you there.

Since you want to conflate nutrition with agriculture I'm happy to meet you there and bring it back to what the article was actually about, emissions. If we compare data center water intake and emissions to just the US beef industry alone, data centers are a very small drop in a very large pond. We're talking on the orders of almost 2000x the water usage and twice the emissions. And that's just beef, we could talk about avocados, bananas, or tons of other actual 'nutrients' that are an effective waste of water. But we like those things, just like we like cat pictures and slop (even though I'm not a fan of your reductionist comparison). I'm not saying you have to like it, but other's do. Just like some people like beef, and others will never touch it.

I'm actually not even disagreeing with you about the rise of data center consumption being something we should be monitoring. You're not wrong about that. But can we at least have an honest conversation about reality and get a little further than what all the headlines say. Maybe instead actually respond to the topic at hand and not make whataboutisms about water.


Talk about casting aspersions!

What for? I use family link for my kids devices. It works good enough. Everything else seems way too intrusive.

Apple is horrible in this regard. Their solutions never really work.

A joint venture for an (optional) cross-platform family app would be more than enough. This, plus a (voluntary) content rating that's offered via an API (could even be simple meta data on a webpage). Done.


Nice. How does pornhub.com "verify" your age when accessing it from your family computer's Ububtu account "my kids account"?

Oh, there is no config to retrieve, no We API to speak to.

"I'm 18 or older"-button it is. Is that a workable solution?


Well let's postulate parent set age on that up Ubuntu account to 13. Pornhub will query browser spi, which will query os API. Very elegant.

Ofc as soon as you give your child root access it is over but that is on you


I’m 21

the answer, as always, is always a protocol.

the major players need to allow me to elect one of them as my family manager, and control permissions across ecosystems, from my management portal. i should be able to freely swap apple, google, microsoft, facebook, or a startup as my management and permissions tool.

instead I have a disparate management account and portal for every service on the planet. roblox, fortnite, facebook all want to appear to "make it easy" as if they hold the delusional belief that their management portal is the only one I have to manage. then add a spouse that also wants to change or tinker a setting.

if any law is going to get passed: it should be that any company over a certain size, who adds parental controls, needs to expose them externally to 3rd party management software.


Спасибо товарищу /s

Intentionally?

Ignorance is bliss! Simply use docker in its (old) default setup, instead of podman, apptainer, docker-rootless ... and that world is yours.

Added bonuses are the incredible stupid integration with ufw on Ubuntu, images with laughable uid mapping, ...

How that shit got traction baffles me.


That’s just the docker daemon. The actual docker services would (or at least should) still be running as its own user/group just like they would if you were running them on the host.

And that’s exactly how any reputable image would be built.


And what makes you believe that those (basically) peanuts that get bet are the real indicators?

The insiders might as well run a backroom prediction market and just manipulate the public market.

And even with bigger sums: you never know if it isn't just a variant of the shell game. There are no real signals.


It's a fallacy to think all insiders are big players. Small fish want a piece, too, and are not constrained in the same ways the big ones are.

We had people formerly saying that in our org and going to a _decade_ of several failed ERPs. Now we run SAP. Still people are unsatisfied with SAP. Not even recognising that the failures are mostly self instricted policies. The organisation worked somehow before having an ERP, because people ignored the given organisation and improvised. That's close to impossible if you use digital processes from end to end. And yet, the ones with the poor organisational skills blame software.


Outright arrogant.

Time to remove all involved companies from European markets.


AFAIK it can be fined with up to 4% of revenue in the EU.

How much is that currently? $600M?


For a start they could make the answers less talkative?

I switched back to ChatGPT out of necessity, because Claude stopped working after two queries, where it gave overly elaborate answers (about a simple web app config).

But Claude isn't alone. It seems a recent (subjective) trend that Claude and ChatGPT give very lengthy answers, with a lot of repetition from the original query on the free plans.

I got used to add "answer briefly", to keep the noise in check.


Yes lately i've also noticed the same pattern that Model try to provide over explaination to even simple stuff & that points to its system prompt or something internal instructions to waste tokens to hit limits


And just as with a real human rambler, the longer they rambler, the more likely they are to start making stuff up and asserting false truths


How about a progressive tax? Doesn't seem a good idea that cancer like entities get away with overconsumption and thus indirectly repression.


How about we legalize construction of new power sources and let the market figure it out?


> How about we legalize construction of new power sources and let the market figure it out?

Who's going to pay for the new plants, that's the issue, nothing else.

"The market" can't figure that out and gets it wrong without additional regulation. If all ratepayers pay for new capacity used only by a few corporations, for their new power needs and their own profits, these corporations get to socialize their capital expenditures while privatizing their profits - that's a form of theft, without any exaggeration.


There was a huge nuclear deregulation bill passed on 2023(?). Hopefully we'll get some reliable power in 10 years out of that.


Trump administration seems to have tried to cancel a bunch of power sources (e.g. offshore wind).


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