Regardless of whether it is 'appropriate workplace behavior' to call a jerk a jerk, firing someone for it is so far outside the range of 'appropriate behavior' that it's hard to make a comparison.

What a wild cultural difference. Where do you live?

Over here in the USA, I don't think any customer service worker expects to be able to openly mock a customer and still have a job. I struggle to imagine the idea of calling my boss a wanker to his face and still expecting to have a job. To insult the CEO seems like it might as well be a resignation - if you have that little respect for leadership, why are you working at that company?

> if you have that little respect for leadership, why are you working at that company?

What an astoundingly dumb question. Most people work somewhere to get paid, and If you think its unusual to hate the boss, oh boy, do I have news for you!

There's a huge difference between "I hate my boss" and "I'm willing to publicly humiliate him to his face". Are you really struggling to understand that distinction?

I got mouths to feed, and if I only worked at places where I respected everyone in top leadership, well ... we'd probably starve.

Over there in the USA there's a culture of extreme deference to corporate leadership, probably stemming from the slavery and servitude past. It's very similar in Brazil as well, sharing from the same past.

It's funny that such a cognitive dissonance between freedoms and rights vs the absolutist tyranny of corporate life making a mockery of those freedoms can coexist in the same society with the same staying power.

You aren’t wrong, but having worked in China as well as the states (and a short stint in Switzerland), I think east Asia (china, Japan, Korea) has that even worse, probably due to Confucius. As China is looking more and more like the future, I fear that this gets worse before it gets better.

East Asia definitely has a similar flavour of this issue, Confucianism's filial piety forces unbounded respect to hierarchies, coupled with social harmony as a virtue and criticism of anyone "above" you is highly frowned upon.

I just think it's stranger for the USA's work culture to be so deferential to leadership while its societal values are outwardly quite loud about freedoms, it's more understandable to me for East Asia to be that way. For the USA case it's probably a mixture of the servitude/slavery past with still being quite religious compared to other Western peers.

It never made sense to me in the USA, I just took it as it being what it is. I think everyone knows corporate culture is kind of a farce, but no sustainable alternative has appeared to replace it.

Let's bring this close to home. You hire someone to mow your lawn. They come in every week and mow your lawn. And you pay them. One day you walk by and they're talking with your neighbor and you overhear them saying you're a rich a-hole and a jerk, and an idiot. I mean not appropriate workplace behavior. Are they going to still have a job or would you prefer that someone else mows your lawn? I mean they just said nasty things about you- nbd. not something that should affect their status as your "employee".

Several things severely wrong with this example. The employee didn't talk to an outsider, they didn't talk to someone the CEO would be likely to have known personally, and they're so far removed from the CEO nobody thinks they'd know them on a personal level.

You just can't talk about a CEO as if they're a person interacting and hiring people individually because they just don't.

In a small company a CEO may approve all hiring. In a larger company they delegate that. But they run the company. Everyone in the company including those hiring reports directly or indirectly to them.

When an employee communicates broadly inside a company, even if it's not directly to outsiders, that is essentially public. As we can see in this thread some random person chimed in with the details. But s/neighbor/your wife/ if that helps the analogy and insider vs. outsider is the issue. It's an imperfect one as they all tend to be.

This is why for example quarterly results are not generally communicated to all insiders in a company before they are released, because they are going to leak.

I think my analogy, though imperfect, demonstrates that when you have some sort of employment or other relationship, "bad mouthing" the other party, either in public or in private, is expected to be damaging to this relationship. The CEO of your company is the closest thing to the single person employing you. He runs the entity that employs you.

This is exactly how someone explained Git to me 12 years ago or so, and I’ve finally wrapped my head around it. Not changing now.

If I'm understanding the thread correctly, I have a git alias to `git commit --amend --no-edit`, for exactly this workflow. When I'm hacking on something locally and want to just keep amending a commit. I only ever do this if it's HEAD though.

Yes, one way to think about jj in a sort of low-level way is that every jj command does the equivalent of that, every time.

(You can also set up watchman and have that happen on every file change...)

I dunno, I haven’t really felt gimped in the past few months. My last issue was somewhere after the holidays when the usage suddenly felt like it cratered, but quality has been consistent.

> what the line would be that would justify violence

It doesn’t matter where we think the line should be drawn, only where those much worse off draw it.

I am happy they are banning openclaw users instead of lowering my limits to compensate for these automated agents though.

Getting people to the moon is plentry useful for getting an objective you can hang all kinds of useful advancements off.

Are you saying we should repeat it? For science!

> There is no substitute for high quality work.

Have you taken a look at the world in the past… I dunno, at least several decades. That ceased to be true somewhere around the time I was in high school, maybe before.

Of course my claude repos have zero stars. Most of them were created in the past 4 months.

If Steam was run by EA I’d abandon it in a second though. All those games that are left behind aren’t super relevant since I already barely play them.